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Ms. Uguccioni: I need to know what you define as historic. Mr. Poliakoff: Well, that is what I was asking you. Ms. Uguccioni: Well, I can't answer your question without understanding the vocabulary that you are using. Mr. Poliakoff: You say on page 11 that the Holocaust Survivor event is an unprecedented ceremony according to this. Since it occurs quarterly and even yearly, how was that defined as unprecedented? Ms. Uguccioni: I think you will find that the City of Sunny Isles Beach, in the context of my report City of Sunny Isles Beach, it was unprecedented here. Mr. Poliakoff: Was Janet Reno being here not an unprecedented event? Ms. Uguccioni: I don't see the relevance in that. Mr. Poliakoff: On page 14 of your report you refer to the praying hands in the Grace Window. Are you aware that the Grace Window was modified to remove the Christian icon? Ms. Uguccioni: No. Mr. Poliakoff: Does a significantly altered Grace Window still have historic significance? Ms. Uguccioni: Well sir,I can't answer that question because after having spoken to Mr.Kreidt, our understanding is that it is an abstraction,and that abstraction does not have specific religious symbolism, and so I am not sure that I aeree that it has been altered, and I would need to see that evidence. Mr. Poliakoff: Does the fact that the Ten Commandments is in the middle in a cherub's face where you still see the wings it was replaced by the Ten Commandments. That is not enough evidence? Ms. Uguccioni: I need to see a visual of that. Mr. Poliakoff: Show her the pictures. We are happy to put it back up on the board. On the far left. Unidentified Woman's Voice: Do you want to come closer? Ms. Uguccioni: No. I presume you are referring to what could be construed as tablets. Mr. Poliakoff: What it is. Ms. Uguccioni: What was your question? Mr. Poliakoff: Alright, I am saying, does the fact that now we see them, the stained glass window, which you have asked preserved has been substantially modified from its initial form? Ms. Uguccioni: You are talking about the integrity of the building, and how changes occurred that would cause it to be unrecognizable in its original form, and I would answer you by saying that clearly that building and that particular window is so much like its previous self, if you will, that the removal of what you consider to be a religious symbolism does not in my opinion radically alter this. Rabbi Lankry: A lady without a face is ... City Attorney Ottinot: Rabbi.. Mr. Poliakoff: Okay, I am just going to wrap this up with just one more question just because I want to make sure I get clarification. Is architecture of the building a criteria of the City Code? Ms. Uguccioni: Architecture is not mentioned specifically in the criteria for eligibility. Neither is pastrami or paintings,but they are part of a population's significance,of a history of a city,the designs reflect the evolution and technologies that have come into place and architecture reacts to those. I cannot distinguish architecture any differently than I do social and cultural transer,and so that is how I do it Mr. Poliakoff: I have a quick question now because you are saying it is equivalent to pastrami. Ms. Uguccioni: That was probably not a good thing to say. Mr. Poliakoff: No, I was going to say, you could have said big noses or something like that. Summary Minutes: 2010-0622 HPB Mtg Page 6 of 8