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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDraft 021016 Workshop Summary Mins re Transportation Master PlanSUMMARY MINUTES City Commission Workshop Meeting Wednesday, February 10, 2016, 5:00 p.m. First Floor Meeting Room City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 3. 4. 5. AGENDA 1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS The meeting was called to order by Mayor Scholl at 5:00 p.m., with the following officials present: Mayor George “Bud” Scholl Vice Mayor Jeanette Gatto Commissioner Isaac Aelion Commissioner Dana Goldman Commissioner Jennifer Levin City Manager Christopher J. Russo City Attorney Hans Ottinot Deputy City Attorney Fernando Amuchástegui Deputy City Manager Stan Morris City Clerk Jane A. Hines, MMC 2. OPENING REMARKS Action: Mayor Scholl gave opening remarks 3. DISCUSSION ITEMS 3A. Presentation/Discussion regarding the Transportation Master Plan. Action: City Manager Russo said the main reason for this work session was to give the Commission some more insight for what is not a finished process which is the traffic flow as it relates to the expansion of the Government Center and the new school. Planning and Zoning Administrator Claudia Hasbun said this is the Traffic Impact and Share Parking Study Analysis for the Government Center Expansion Project, and will be presented to the Commission by Salman Rathore of the Corradino Group. Public Speakers: Salman Rathore; Gabriella Blagerman Salman Rathore, Project Manager, Traffic Engineer with the Corradino Group gave a PowerPoint presentation on the Government Center Expansion Project, Traffic Impact Analysis, and the Share Parking Analysis. The purpose of the Study is to analyze the current and future traffic impacts that the project will have on the roadways and intersections, and to make sure we have enough capacity for the infrastructure concern to be able to handle the extra project traffic. The report is still in draft and we will continue to make changes as we get comments and feedback, and do different reviews, before finalizing the report. Mr. Rathore said this is a Mixed-Use Project with an elementary school, a middle school, general office building, performing arts, civic center, a fitness center and a senior facility. Before they started working on the Project, the Parking Impact Study or the Shared Parking ATTENTION ALL LOBBYISTS: CITY LAW REQUIRES YOUR REGISTRATION PRIOR TO ENGAGING IN LOBBYING ACTIVITIES BEFORE CITY STAFF, BOARDS, COMMITTEES OR THE CITY COMMISSION. PLEASE CONTACT THE CITY CLERK FOR FORMS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 2 Analysis, they wanted to make sure they understood it, and the different issues. They met with City staff and the Architect and discussed the project in general, what are different land users, different shared parking users, etc. They met with the Police to discuss the school traffic, the routing, the bottlenecks, different man-power required going into the field, eventually that seven (7) Police Officers are present during the arrival time and during the departure time. Also three (3) Cross Guards are present to help the kids cross the street. They met with the School Principal so that they would have a better understanding of the current and future school enrollment. They discussed issues such as drop-off and pick-up, the timings, and also they got an idea of how many students use buses out of the total current enrollment. There are three (3) buses being utilized for about 250 to 300 students out of about 2,000 of the total enrollment. They met with the Miami Dade County School Board about the Project but the main purpose was to discuss the staggering option of arrivals and departures for the middle school. That was important as that gave them an idea of what the real issues are after they met with the different stakeholders. Mr. Rathore said on the Traffic Analysis, they began by collecting data. They collected intersection volume counts, the analysis included a total of 11 intersections with 3 signalized and 8 un-signalized intersections. All were collected in the vicinity of the project and during morning and midday peaks. He showed a map with all those intersections that can be located by numbers, Collins Avenue and 178th Street, North Bay Road, 170th St. etc. As part of the traffic analysis they always start from existing conditions. Current impact of traffic on the network, delays, congestion, bottleneck, in spite of the existing conditions, he went out into the field and spent about half a day with Police Officers. They looked at the arrivals and departures, how the queues are developed, how the Police are managing the pedestrians, the traffic, in the morning, and midday during the departure time. One thing that is important to note is that the presence of Police Officers and Crossing Guards is absolutely important. Without their presence there would have been a mess out there to manage traffic and pedestrians from a safety perspective. In the morning the traffic is dispersed between 25 to 30 minutes. In the midday it was a little longer, perhaps parents were coming in, dropping off, waiting for their kids, forming queues, picking up their kids and so during that time it took longer, between 40 and 45 minutes. Still it wasn’t that bad due to the Police and Crossing Guards presence, direction and guidance. Out of the eleven (11) intersections that he had highlighted, five (5) of the intersections they showed from an overall perspective were okay. From an operations point of view, from a delayed perspective they were operating okay. But all of these intersections had at least one (1) failing approach and are highlighted. Mr. Rathore said as part of the second phase we go to the future conditions. The future conditions is current traffic plus the future anticipated citywide road plus the proposed project traffic. Everything together approximately 2,300 future school enrollment plus this mixed-use project which needs to be looked at as part of the future conditions. Once they looked at the results, it was important to highlight mitigation for the future conditions. As part of the mitigation effort he came up with, as part of the study, two scenarios which were analyzed as part of the mitigation. Scenario 1 was to just look at traffic, school arrival and departure traffic as is, and add the project traffic on top of that. Scenario 2 was more of a standard school option, you have K-1 arriving at a certain time, 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. and departing at 3:05 p.m. Middle School arriving at 6:00 to 8:00 arriving at 7:40 a.m. and departing at 2:20 p.m. By the way, that 6:00 to 8:00 timing was discussed at Miami-Dade City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 3 County School Board and that is how we came up with that arrival and departure time. Mr. Rathore said they ran their analysis and the same intersections shown at least one (1) approach failing as far as the future analysis. Scenario 2 is to come up with some sort of mitigation, how we can improve it, what can be done to make it work better. For two (2) intersections, Collins Avenue and 178th Street, and Collins Avenue and 183rd Street, we don’t have to do any major physical improvements, we can achieve that by simply changing the signal timing. There are proposing mitigation in the form of signal timing improvements for these two (2) intersections. For Atlantic Boulevard and 178th Street on the west side, and Atlantic Boulevard and 183rd Street. They are proposing that further evaluation be done to look at if a signal or a four-way stop sign is warranted for those two intersections. That will be part of the proposed mitigation to be able to fix problems with these two intersections that we will be facing in the future. This is just explaining the timing for the existing and for Scenario 2 for the school arrival and departure times. These times were discussed with the Miami Dade County School Board and in our professional opinion this is the most condensed and continue signing. If you look at grades 6 to 8, it starts at 7:40 a.m. then the next school which is K-1 starts at 8:20 a.m., and then the next one is at 8:35 a.m. and so there is a continuous 30 – 40 minutes difference between each class and then departure is about the same. It is important to understand that for every arrival and departure that the Police Officers and the School Guards have to start preparing, like putting in cones and closing driveways at least 40 minutes before the arrival and departure time, and so that is something important that needs to be kept in mind. Mr. Rathore said as part of this project there was some additional proposed mitigation, this is important because this will help in the overall project. School staggered time is one that they are proposing, physical improvements like crosswalks from Atlantic Boulevard to the other side, providing bus lanes, it is very important to educate parents in particular and the community in general, to make them realize the fact that by utilizing traffic system or sending their kids through buses will overall be helpful for the community as a whole. They are proposing that they issue programs making them realize, especially the parents, that this needs to happen. Again, the Police and Traffic control presence absolutely a must and maybe one or two Police Officers may need to be increased as far as the staff is concerned, or the School Guards who help the kids cross, their number needs to be increased as well. Mr. Rathore said on bus services, currently the school has three (3) buses, and 250 to 300 students riding the buses. If the buses are increased to six (6), and people are willing to utilize them, then we would be talking about 500 to 600 students, and that is a significant reduction in the overall traffic and congestion. It is very important that the City participates in the Safe Route to School (SRTS) Program which definitely needs to be looked at. Mr. Rathore said they also did the Share Parking Analysis, they want to find out how many parking spaces are required for this project. One thing that is important to understand that this is a Mixed-Use Project with office, retail, theater, and so every different land use parking peaks at different times of the day. So maybe the office peaks in the morning, or a retail may have from 10:00 to 11:00 a.m., but as a whole there is a shared parking concept. Basically we are not providing extra parking, and the Mixed-Use usage can be utilized at the same time, and so that is the whole concept of shared parking analysis. We typically use ULI City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 4 Urban Land Use Institute for shared parking, and at the same time the City Parking Code was also looked at to calculate parking requirements. What we found out was that about 153 shared parking spaces are required for school, for office, for retail, and for this Project. Mr. Rathore said in conclusion, in their professional opinion the best approach where traffic is concerned is the staggered traffic approach for the middle school, additional mitigation of what they are proposing like providing sidewalks, crosswalks, educate parents and the community encouraging them to use more bus service for their kids, and increasing the number of buses from 3 to 6 or 7, participation in the Safe Route to School (SRTS) Program, and most importantly Police and Crossing Guards presence needs to be kept in mind, and the need to provide 153 shared parking spaces for this Mixed-Use project. Mayor Scholl said we have one public speaker and asked her to come up. Gabriella Blagerman, a Senior at the Alonzo and Tracy Mourning High School, said she is here today because she thinks there is a way to improve the public safety of our City. She has been a resident here for 17 years, she believes this City is a great place to live in, but they are trying to focus on pedestrians and safety at the crosswalks. We are planning to pass a Bill with a company named Project Citizen that has in the past gone all the way up to Tallahassee. The reason they are here today is because they are planning to focus this primarily for Sunny Isles Beach and they are looking at different alternative methods at different costs. She knows there is one yield sign around Newport where you click the button and it lights up, and so they are looking at something more efficient where it is on the crosswalk itself. They range in price from thousands of dollars to a couple of hundred dollars. On Lakeshore Drive in Chicago, they have lines painted on the road where it gives an illusion of the driver speeding so they slow down. Basically, the reason she is here is to let the Commission know they are forming this and they are looking forward to contacting you. Mayor Scholl said we have good news for you. This year we have commissioned a study, it has been almost a year now, for pedestrian safety and traffic impact. We are going to have a Workshop on it, and so if you want to leave your name and number with the City Clerk, we will let you know when we have that Workshop. A lot of things you are talking about are going to be incorporated into the results of that study. It is better when we do that together, and so at that study when they present their findings, you will have an opportunity to speak. What you can do is to contrast your ideas with what the Consultants come back with, and then that will get coordinated into the record, and then we are going to have a bunch of decisions to make on how we go about it. Mayor Scholl thanked Ms. Blagerman for coming, and she noted her four classmates and teacher in the audience. Commissioner Aelion said in the Executive Summary you mentioned categories, one of which is Elementary School (K-5). This is a developed facility, not part of the developmental, he understands for purposes of traffic calculation you have inserted as such. Existing dynamic functional and he thinks that is a little misleading, that is not part of the project, just the last four are following that, and he would like that corrected. Also, you are proposing, besides improving signalization, a four-way stop on 183rd Street signals area, which is something in the past that we have tried. Remember that A1A is a State road, and if the State has to get involved here, and we have tried a number of times to ask them to improve lights and four-ways stops at certain intersections and they have always been City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 5 reluctant. Did you or staff approach the State in seeing the feasibility of the State taking action on your recommendations? Mr. Rothore said no, not yet. Commissioner Aelion said you are saying the proposed bus lane on Atlantic Boulevard which according to your drawing would be situated just south of the proposed project. Now that is very close to the entrance to City Hall. Today the scenario is that the Police actually block off vehicle traffic for the required period from the back entrance to the RK Plaza, and so if we would have a situation where the bus lane would be placed more south, that would entail a closure more south and would impede the flow of traffic and the service to our residents from that lane which is extremely important. Collins Avenue is already so congested, and they want to have an alternative, and this is indeed by far the busiest Plaza in our City, and access to it has to be very relevant. Ms. Hasbun said it is not very clear in the image but we are proposing a bus lane actually in the parking lane on Atlantic Boulevard, not on the actual road. Commissioner Aelion said we are talking about a school bus, it will need more room. Ms. Hasbun said yes, we will make modifications to that lane. Mayor Scholl said Atlantic Boulevard is a City street, and so we could put the stop signs at 178th and Atlantic Boulevard, and so the good news there is we can do that if we wanted to. Commissioner Aelion said there is illegal parking by parents on private property and in this particular case, Publix. Today in a present scenario we have about 40% to 50% or more of current pickup time, and maybe even in the morning of parents parking their vehicles on private property to be able to pickup and drop-off their children. That is something that the City has no control of, and he thinks the Police are raising up their hands that they can’t do otherwise. In light of the future development of that site which will make it even harder for parking because it is going to be on the upper level, this impact is something that, and he doesn’t know if you took it into consideration or not, but it is definitely an impact on the whole projected study. As such, his concern is that if you take into account that those vehicles are not supposed to be there or if those vehicles are4 not to be a part of the present scenario and place them outside which makes them legal parking, then you have a completely different picture. Commissioner Aelion said today he received an email and the person who sent it, didn’t know about this meeting. This is a parent with four (4) children who live in Golden Shores and she tells him the following: Is anything being done to combat the traffic it causes during school pickup time? It is coming to a point I can’t even go to any of the stores around the school at pickup time because there is no place to park, Publix or CVS. Even then with the fact that the residential parking of the regular buyers at the Plaza when there is a pickup of children, it is so flooded that regular residents that don’t have to pick up their children cannot park there, and all the parents of course are taking up the parking spaces.” And so that is something that is very real and it is happening in real time in our City, and that being such an intricate problem of what we are having, he thinks that is extremely important to address. Mayor Scholl said what Commissioner Aelion wants to understand is if we are doing something, if we could do something, or if it was considered in the plan about the fact that a lot of the vehicle pickup and delivery happens on private property. Chief Maas said it does happen. Mayor Scholl said he feels that the Chief has a different perspective on that because City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 6 unless the property owner wants us to do something about it, we don’t have a lot of bearing on that. Chief Maas said we cannot enforce or do anything with regard to private property. From the very beginning when people were utilizing the Publix parking lot to drop their children off and to either leave their cars and walk them, or to have the children walk which was a huge safety factor, Publix tried to enforce certain things and then quite frankly he believes their corporate offices were contacted and they said to leave it alone. Chief Maas said in the afternoon currently for the pickup what used to be open for the RK Plaza, which you addressed just north of the Government Center, is now blocked off by Mr. Katz who does not allow any ingress or egress which has incensed a lot of customers who try to get into there and don’t know that it is blocked off. Again, it is private property and we have no enforcement power. Recently Mr. Katz did start towing vehicles from that parking lot that he knew were school related. Commissioner Aelion said he understands the status quo but change is coming to this property. Chief Maas said if you are stating that the private properties that are being utilized currently and have been for the last number of years for pickup and drop-off by parents, if that were taken out of the equation, what would the impact be on our regular streets because it would now be all vehicles that would have to pickup and drop-off. The impact would be immense, it would be huge. Commissioner Aelion said that is what he needed to hear and he wanted Mr. Rathore to hear this because he wanted him to be aware of this and to work with this because this is a real thing. Chief Maas said our only salvation right now is the fact that so many people do utilize those parking lots. Commissioner Aelion agrees and the Mayor had expressed it very clearly that we have no power as a City for the benefit of our residents to do anything regarding private property, that is it, and that is his point. Chief Maas said he wanted to make one point, what he was trying to get confirmation on was, and he doesn’t want anyone to be misled, the intersection at 178 Street and Atlantic Boulevard is not a four-way stop or a typical four-way intersection. You have 60 feet minimum between the next which would be considered a four-way which is Atlantic because it is offset there. So in theory you would have a three-way stop there, there would be then another stop sign placed further down. Mayor Scholl said the good news is that is doable within our purview, and Commissioner Aelion is right about Collins Avenue, we have no leverage over FDOT to make them change the signalization but we can put the three-way stops in if we want to. Chief Maas said for those of you who may not have been on the Commission at the time, the signalization was changed in the very first year, about 18 months after the school was first started. It had to be extended because in those first several months it was absolute gridlock, and finally FDOT came out and extended the timing east. He doesn’t know if we would get that benefit again because as you know FDOT’s concern is moving the traffic north and south on Collins Avenue. Commissioner Levin said one of the things she had brought up was whether or not we have any leverage with FDOT to get them to change anything for us on Collins Avenue with regard to the signalization. One of the proposals was for the 6 through 8 graders to start school at 7:40 a.m., is that unusual? Mr. Rothore said no, that is not unusual. As he had City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 7 indicated that this time was selected after we had a detailed discussion with the Miami-Dade County School Board. They provided us with a list of elementary schools, middle schools, etc. for all of the Miami-Dade County area out of which we looked at different middle schools and there were options starting at 7:20 a.m. and at 7:40 a.m., and so that is how we picked that time. Commissioner Levin asked how SRTS work? Ms. Hasbun said we are looking into that, she does not know the details exactly but it is a combination of a program within the School Board and FDOT, and the MPO, and so all of these agencies work together to create certain improvements to an area surrounding school that would allow for kids and parents to walk their kids to school. Commissioner Levin asked if they actually devise the plan and give money? Ms. Hasbun said yes, they do work on plans and grants for these improvements. Commissioner Levin said we have classes starting and ending with the day beginning at a certain time and it ends at a certain time. What are the lag times before and after the times that the classes begin and end because if we are thinking of staggering it, we will still get left over traffic from before-hand. Is it really helping at all? Mr. Rothore said it does help because in Scenario 1 as he had indicated in his presentation, one option is that everybody shows up for school, kindergarten all the way to 8th grade, and you have an absolute nightmare or gridlock. The better option is to stagger them and then provide like a 30-minute or 40-minute arrival staggered difference, and at the same time for departure also. And so we are looking at the best possible option that is out there. Of course the worst option is that everybody shows up and out of that option, the better option is that you stagger them. Commissioner Levin said if the later people are starting to show up before classes begin, are they going to merge with the outgoing traffic of the people that have just been dropped off? Is it part of what you look at? Mr. Rothore said from a traffic study perspective, and it is all reasonable assumptions of course that we typically use and apply. For other studies that he has done, the assumption is if your departure time is 1:50 or 2:20, there is no reason for you to be there at 12:50 or 1:00. You can probably be five or ten minutes early, or five or ten minutes late and then maybe 5% or 10% traffic that kind of merge with other grades but if there is a certain time and everybody is getting out, let’s say 1:50, and the next one is 2:20 and the next one is 3:05, from a realistic point of view it will be happening at a separate staggered time, that is the assumption behind it. Commissioner Levin said she understands but she doesn’t know how much it will improve, is it just going to prolong the whole time, that we are going to be gridlocked or is it actually going to help because it will be better by a certain percentage but we can’t tell. Commissioner Levin said for the school parking next door, there was a number of parking spaces given for the school, their teachers from the annex will be parking here? We are going to have additional teachers because the school will be growing, additional classes, and so we need additional school parking, is that what that is about? Mr. Rothore said right, the share parking analysis that we performed, it included parking specifically for school usage. We looked at the number of classes, and looking at the City Code, minimum parking that we are supposed to be providing for each class, and then based on that we alternatively came up with a total for the shared parking, and so yes, school parking was definitely considered separately and was looked upon. Commissioner Levin said the 250-seat theater, and the proposed 63 parking spaces, is that because you are assuming that most events that will take City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 8 place at the theater will be at night so that there will be additional parking available? Mr. Rothore said that is based on the City Code, for every four (4) seats you are supposed to provide one (1) parking space. Commissioner Goldman said she thinks it is a very comprehensive, a very effective study. We all recognize here in the room that we have the physical constraints which dictate a limited number of solutions to the mitigation, the traffic issues. Obviously the big take away is that having staggered times of drop off is really the main way to mitigate some of the traffic issues. She wanted to talk a little bit on mass transit, how would adding additional buses, who would be responsible, is that a County, a School Board initiative? How do you incentivize people to use mass transit, would it be for the benefit of just the younger kids, or the older kids, how can we kind of merge these additional school buses and get people to actually participate in that and get involved? Mr. Rothore said right now the whole idea is to kind of highlight the very planning level, preliminary mitigation, and concerned agencies that needs to be the coordination, if the buses go from 3 to 6, Miami-Dade Transit needs to be involved, the local school needs to be involved, City departments needs to be involved, that is something that will come along at a later stage, and that has to be looked at on a separate basis. This is more just giving ideas as to this needs to be done, how that will be done is of course a good question, that will be done at a later stage as we get more detailed coordination among different agencies. Vice Mayor Gatto knows we don’t have a lot of options but she wanted to start with a little story that happened last week. She left the office not paying attention to what time of the day it was, she was coming down the ramp from City Hall, she sees on her left a car as she is pulling out onto the street, there is a car, a mom waiting for her kid in City Hall’s parking lot, not in a parking space, just out there in the middle of nowhere, and so she tried to get out but could not make the left turn and so she made the right turn to go north but she knew what was going to happen, it just brings you back to the street, that is the quagmire. And so she parked on the side of the street and she went back up to her office and sat at her desk. It is really a mess, and she knows this is a complaint, but it is what we have now times 100 which will be later. We will need more Police, etc. She also wants to talk about staggered hours because for her intuitively and she understands Commissioner Levin when she asked that question, but it just elongates the pain is really what it does. And so she is not sold on the idea, she understands why it is an idea, but she is not sold on it because she knows now if she leaves at a certain time and maybe 30 minutes she can wait and leave, but now maybe it will be 45 minutes. Also, the four-way stops, she knows it is a solution but she spent many years on the west coast. You can’t drive through the streets in San Francisco and fly through, every street is a four-way stop and everybody knows that you yield to your right. Here, nobody knows that and nobody cares and no one is going to obey the rules. She deals with that on 174th and North Bay Road, and so there is a lot of possibility for confusion and accidents. Also, the increase in school buses, you know that the school buses are scary and tricky, you can’t pass them, and she stays away from them at any cause because they can be dangerous to your driving record if you screw up. She knows that you have come up with some good solutions but it just seems like all of this is just going to be amplified in a very big way once this gets going. She is not sold on the staggered hours. Mayor Scholl said if the 163rd Street bridge went up and 900 cars back up and head for City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 9 Collins Avenue. If you can stagger the cars by 10 minutes apart, it would greatly mitigate the amount of impact that is hitting Collins Avenue at one time. What they are saying is, and it is just logic and science, basically if you are going to have 600 cars there, and you spread them out in half hour increments, it is going to mitigate the problem. It is not going to make it go away, it is going to elongate the pain, but it is going to create a lot less impact on the area then having the 600 cars there at one time. That is really all we are talking about. He is hearing a lot of objections but the fact is that there are no easy solutions here, this is not a silver bullet kind of solution. This is going to be a combination solution that basically take a crappy situation and mitigate it a little bit. We have professionals and they came back and are giving us different options here. But logic would tell us that if you take 600 cars that are going to converge on a time zone within a ten-minute window of that time zone, if you spread it out over an hour and a half, it is going to mitigate the impact a little bit at least on the surrounding folks that have to deal with it. He believes that the staggering of the cars will make a difference. Mayor Scholl said let’s go back to the genesis of the problem. When he got elected, and we all know about the traffic problem at the school, and we started to talk about the school expansion project, and he always tries to tie things back to what they call in the blood banking business, Root Cause Analysis. What is the root cause of the problem? The fact is that we live in a City where the weather is nice most of the time, and 80% of the kids that go to that school are within walking distance because it is Winston Towers in the City core, and that is where all the kids live, they are all within walking distance. Yet we have 600 cars in the morning that come to that school to drop kids off. What does that tell us? That tells us that anybody that lives in the City whose kid can walk to school does not want to deal with that issue, and so they let their kid walk or ride their bicycles to school. Mayor Scholl said last Spring he sat down with the City Manager and said we have got to do a study or something to figure out where all these cars are coming from. So what they did was we had some folks go out over the course of a week and take pictures of every license plate in the morning and in the afternoon that was dropping a kid off, be it in the shopping center or by the school, then we ran all those license plates through the DMV, and we actually did this last April or May. It was two different periods. What did we find? We found that there are hundreds of cars coming to school every morning from out of the area. Now, like he said to the School Board, it is not actionable to remove people from the school, but it sure tells us where the genesis of our traffic problem is coming from. Mayor Scholl said the fact is that we have a huge traffic problem there because there are a lot of people going to that school who do not come from our community, and we even discounted the ones that came from Eastern Shores or Golden Beach because we know that they belong here, they are legally in the school. He is talking about people from out of the County. Then the argument is that there are divorced parents and maybe they are staying with the father in Hollywood that week, but the fact of the matter is if he was a divorced parent and he has got to deal with that traffic every morning he would let the kids stay with his Mother during the week and walk to school. But the fact is that we have a tremendous amount of people in that school that don’t belong there. Mayor Scholl said because the Administration was remised on making sure that the folks that City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 10 deserve to go to that school are the ones that are going there, we took it to the next step and wrote a letter to the School Board. We said we understand you need a school expansion but we don’t want to create an expanded environment without dealing with the root cause of the problem which is what we call District Jumpers, which means kids from out of the area. That is the technical terms if you are a School Board official, District Jumpers. Frankly, they blew us off at the beginning. Public Speakers: Susan _____; Vice Mayor Gatto said you bring up a good point. One of the things she wanted to say was her Condo docs have limits to the number of people that can live in a one-bedroom, a two- bedroom, and a three-bedroom. Mayor Scholl said this is why we are going to lean on the Chief a little bit, as the front end of the process are the school records which has to be done by the School Board employees because of privacy issues. But when we actually go out into the community to verify things he thinks what we are going to say is to collect all the records for one building and then our liaison or school officer will go there. The management is less likely to give one of our officers a hard time about going through the verification process. Your point is very well taken, and it will be completely remised not to try to do something, that is the point. Mayor Scholl said he thinks what he is hearing is before we make a formal recommendation to the school system, we sit down with them, this is going to be a cooperative effort, and they are going to have to reconcile their own position internally about what is the most efficient way to do this. And then we will sit down with the school system. He thinks we can work with them with recommendations and obviously the Chief will work with our staff members and we will make sure that we get a holistic approach to it. Chief Maas said we know in other districts it does work better that way with the youngest. We have two schools that are six blocks apart in his residential area and because it is staggered one hour there is impact but only for those two schools at that time, they never intersect each other. Mayor Scholl said he doubts if our Consultant has taken the sociology environment into account, he is just distributing the flow. Obviously we are just assuming that 600 cars is 300 as you distribute it across, 200 per group and the timing of those groups isn’t something that really have to be in our purview. Chief Maas said correct as we go out there every day with the parents and kids, and know what the patterns are with them and almost know how many of them come from the school to the Government Center for the Library, for different events that are here. Also, Mayor, your point is well taken with regards to the private shopping centers, if he was a District Jumper or coming from another County, he doubts he would be pulling up to the front of the school and dropping his kids off. He would probably stop at a remote site and this he knows because we have received complaints from people who watch the cars line up in front of their building, the kids get out, or they wait for them to get out to pick up the kids. And so that may also alleviate a lot of the private property parking. Commissioner Aelion said he came down hard and he apologizes on his comments. However, he wanted to compliment you on one of your calculations and your staggering involving the County School Board, etc. One real data that you produced is the net time of drop off and pick up in the morning which is about 20 to 35 minutes, and in the afternoon it was about 45 to 50 minutes. What you did do very astutely and he thinks it is commendable is that with the staggering calculations you went and said you have the 55-minute spread in City Commission Workshop February 10, 2016 City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 11 the morning, and the Chief should be aware of this on the net, you did a good job of maintaining the contractors time, i.e. the 20-minute spread between morning and afternoon also in your staggered calculations, and so in the morning we have a 55-minute spread and in the afternoon we have an hour and 15 minutes within the staggered times, and so that makes sense as a result even though that is just a recommendation but that is based on something factual and basically something that has been already studied and actually accumulated and written as it is also for real data, real calculations. Maybe from that you can build forward. 4. ADJOURNMENT Commissioner Aelion made a motion to adjourn the meeting, and Mayor Scholl adjourned it at 6:20 p.m. Respectfully submitted by: _____________________________ Jane A. Hines, MMC, City Clerk