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City Commission Workshop
4th Floor Conference Room
Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 12:00 p.m.
City of Sunny Isles Beach, Florida
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1. Call to Order/Roll Call of Members
The meeting was called to order by Mayor Edelcup at 12:09 p.m.,with the following officials
present:
Mayor Norman S. Edelcup Assistant City Manager/Services Jorge Vera
Vice Mayor Lewis J. Thaler City Attorney Hans Ottinot
Commissioner Isaac Aelion Assistant City Manager/Finance Minal Shah
Commissioner Jeanette Gatto City Clerk Jane A. Hines, CMC
Commissioner George `Bud' Scholl
Mayor Edelcup gave opening remarks, and welcomed representatives of the Miami-Dade
County School Board: Paul Greenfeld, Ana Rijo-Conde, AICP, Jamie Torres. and Jerold of
Dr. Martin Karp's Office.
2. Discussion on Overcrowding at the Norman S. Edelcup/Sunny Isles Beach K-8.
Action: Mayor Edelcup said that the K-8 School has been a resounding success, so much so
that they are over capacity and we now need to address that particular problem knowing that
there will be more and more children going to this School and we need to provide the facility
for them. Vice Mayor Thaler has been ramroding this project from our side, and he knows
that Ana and everyone has been working to come to a solution.
Vice Mayor Thaler said that the registration is already over where we actually ended last year,
and so we will have a big increase of students] to start 2011/2012. The Commission has
received a copy of the information the School Board provided him, and they did have some
objections to just handing over the money for the building. The biggest problem that occurred
is the fact that the City has been promised over and over again that illegals would be gotten
out of that school and that the County would be proactive in getting them out and we really
have not seen it. We believe there is a substantial amount of people who should not be in that
school,and that is part of the reason why we need these 12 rooms to grow, and just to put up
the building without having them gone, we feel is not right. Before we discuss the dollars and
cents and where it is coming and when it is needed, we would really like to hear from you
what is being done,and what will be done to get the enrollment down to just the legals within
the system. That is one of the major sticking points in this whole program.
Paul Greenfeld gave some background on the school system,there are four(4)administrative
regions, there is a regional center, and they cover 68 schools which cover all the Miami Beach
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Schools from South Point to Sunny Isles Beach,Aventura,North Miami,North Miami Beach,
and part of Miami Gardens. When all the schools that have its own reputations, virtually
every one of them has an issue with out of area students that find ways,sometimes legal ways,
and many times illegal ways, of getting their children into the schools. It is very difficult for
the schools themselves because they don't have the personnel to knock at every door of every
student that registers at the school. Now, Sunny Isles Beach has some resources available that
some other schools do not. The City is providing Police Officers, and he knows that they
have gone out and conducted home visits to the extent they can within the City of Sunny Isles
Beach because they don't have jurisdiction to go into Hallandale or other areas outside their
jurisdiction. It is a problem and he knows that Dr. Annette Weissman has been very vigilant
about doing everything within the bounds that the School Board allows, to be able to verify
addresses that are provided in the information that is authentic, people that come in actually
do live within the boundaries of the school. We have been adamant about denying student
transfers even for siblings because what we did a couple of years ago was a very gradual kind
of implementation of a boundary change which started with students that had not been at the
school, and directing them to another one of our excellent schools. We are still in the early
stages of that, and so you haven't seen the proof of that.
Mr. Greenfeld said there is a Task Force that was started by our Superintendent to look at
strategies to amending the School Board rule to allow other types of verifications that are not
currently allowed by Home Rule. A study has been done of every other district virtually every
major district in the State of Florida, tools they utilize to verify parents addresses, that the
child is actually living with the parent, we don't accept things like they are living with
Grandma or cousins, etc., and we verify if the parent has turned over legal custody of their
child. We get into the legal issues, we get into many issues that are very problematic at such
schools as this, Aventura Waterways,Alonzo and Tracy Mourning Senior High School. Just
to give you a hypothetical at how far a parent will go, we had a parent that applied for a
transfer to Alonzo and Tracy Mourning Senior High School and was denied due to
overcrowding, the parent rented an apartment in the area, and somebody went out from the
school to verify that they were living there. There were clothes in the closet but do we really
believe the child is living there, no, but based on those rules that we are currently governed
by, so people with financial means may be renting places and doing things that, and as there
are vacancies in some of these high rises that are open to rentals, people will do that just to get
their child into that school, they are committing fraud but it is very hard to enforce that. And
so, do I believe that there are any children at Sunny Isles Beach that do not belong there,yes
he does. How do we identify them, and how do we get them out is an ongoing issue.
Vice Mayor Thaler said was there not a special meeting held where the rules were supposedly
being changed,and Mr. Greenfeld said that there has been a series of those meetings,and Dr.
Martin Karp our Board Member representing this area, has been very involved in that, in fact
he actually brought forth the initiative to start that Task Force, and Mr. Greenfeld serves on
that Task Force, we did have a meeting towards the end of last fiscal year, and some final
things were going to be proffered to our Superintendent but another meeting has not been
called and so he was not privy to what was determined or still underway to make some final
recommendations that would go to the entire school.
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Commissioner Aelion said historically this has been a problem but what steps have been taken
to improve this problem,when you enforce the rules and change the rules to accommodate the
end result, and he doesn't know why they have only been looking at this recently when the
problem has been ongoing. Mr..Greenfeld said he can't answer for district policy that has
been established for a long time but it has been long standing as to what types of
identification,what types of proof of residency can be requested by a school. Can the schools
go out and verify that, yes but in many cases they are very short staffed and don't have the
resources to be able to send somebody out. When something is reported to them where they
do suspect that cars are coming over from the Broward line, that information is provided to
the school administration and they do follow up when in some cases,those children are forced
to withdraw immediately into their new schools.
Mayor Edelcup said that he thinks one of the problems we have is a personal incentive to
make sure there is adequate space for the children who live in our City to go to this school,
unfortunately the School Board itself doesn't have that same impetus, they get per capita no
matter where the kid comes from they are going to get paid by the State to have that kid
educated there, and so it is not the same feeling and he is sure that it is not as high on their
priority list because they are going somewhere within the Miami-Dade system whether it is in
Sunny Isles Beach or a neighboring City and they are going to collect the same dollars either
way and so why spend the extra dollars to weed them out when they are going to wind up
costing money for themselves and not have those dollars available for education, and so the
incentive is not quite the same unfortunately.
Commissioner Scholl said the fact is Dr. Weissman has not been vigilant. He sat with her
personally about 18 months ago and offered her IT support,offered her Police support,offered
her whatever she needed, no follow-up, she gave him good lip service but no follow-up. My
neighbors on many occasions their kids play with kids from Broward County who go to the
same school with them. Again, there has not been an atmosphere of wanting to police this
from day one. He appreciates their position and within the School Board, he can promise
them that there has not been an atmosphere of wanting to deal with this issue, and the
atmosphere hasn't been there from day one. On the contrary, he would say from day one it
was a very open door policy, but we have gotten very little support. Now that you all need
something, he feels like maybe we will get some attention. But you just sat here and told us
all the reasons why you can't enforce, we need a plan, and Mr. Greenfeld said that they try to
enforce it. Commissioner Scholl understands that but there is a disconnect between what is
happening at that school and your state of mind, what you just described, it is a big
disconnect. He said he went to the Commission and he said let's give him IT support, let's
give them whatever they need because all he keeps hearing is that they are short staffed,they
can't follow through. We offered it up, no follow-through, it could be they didn't want it to
happen. The truth of the matter is, for whatever reason there is a mentality that this is not
something that they really want to deal with on a vigilant matter. Now maybe with the
overcrowding the tide is starting to turn but unfortunately once you open the flood gates, it is
very hard to go back, and he knows now that it is very difficult. You have kids at the school
and he feels terrible but he blames the parents,the parents shouldn't put kids in that situation
where they have to live under the guise of not really being within a community that they go to
school under. He said what he would like to see before we really took any agreement
with the School Board seriously is a Plan of Action that says this is what we can do,this
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is how we are going to attack it, timelines, deliverables, and whatever is within their
power because the fact of the matter is that they are asking us for a huge commitment, and
dealing with this overcrowding issue with the school because of the district jumpers, the
amount of resources you really have to put on there to do it effectively is a drop in the bucket
compared to what you are asking us to do. He feels like all we are doing is throwing more
money at the problem because you all aren't doing what you are supposed to do in terms of
being vigilant about this. He agrees that it is a system-wide problem,and he understands why
parents do it,and it is hard to get parents that care for their kids passionately and want the best
education for them. He knows the School Board is up against something that is very
permutable and he respects that,but he also does not feel that that school ever had the political
will to deal with this issue. He feels it started off on a wrong foot and it just escalated from
there, and it aggravates him given the amount of resources that we have put into the school in
the first place for our own community that we are now in this situation because of a lack of
vigilance. He is pretty convinced that the numbers are a lot bigger than anybody believes it is,
and it is going to be hard to prove the size of the number.
Vice Mayor Thaler said that we have offered over and over again to use our computers,to use
our Police force,and nothing has been done. There has been no request for anything,and this
has been every single year from day one,we have gone to the Principal,we have gone through
with you that we would use whatever ability we had in our computer area, and in our Police
force to get them out of here. As late as today he has spoken to Dr. Weissman and she said
that people are still coming in and they are bringing in paperwork showing that they are living
with their Grandparents. Are they really living with their Grandparents or is it just a piece of
paper. We don't see anything being done and this is why we are here for this meeting. This is
the principle of the meeting, to throw good money after bad for somebody who is living in
Hollywood or Hallandale Beach or somewhere else in this area, we are not willing to do it.
This is Sunny Isles Beach money, this is for the people of Sunny Isles Beach and Golden
Beach the way it is set up, why give the money if we are not going to see the correction.
Commissioner Scholl said that you are getting very creative about your financial problems by
coming to municipalities and leveraging off their bonding capacities. We are not putting the
same kind of creativity into these kinds of issues and that is where he is coming from. He is
saying to show us the kind of vigilance and creativity that you are coming up to deal with your
backflow issues because frankly this is the root of all your problems. The schools wouldn't be
so crowded if you put the same kind of vigilance and creativity into dealing with these kinds
of issues as well. Now our case is a special case because obviously now you are coming to us
for something and the irony of it is that he knew the day of reckoning would come eventually
because as he was frustrated over the years we knew it would eventually come back around,
and so unfortunately this is an issue that we are absolutely going to need deliverables on.
Before he puts any of the City's resources in, he will want to see a very clear plan.
Mr. Greenfeld said he doesn't think he needs to come to the defense of Dr. Weissman whose
life is that much more difficult because of overcrowding, and to say she doesn't have an
interest in this, and Commissioner Scholl said she is a great principal however the spirit of
that school from the day it opened has not been one of vigilance dealing with district jumping,
that is a personal opinion and that is the opinion shared by a lot of parents. The parents feel it
is a very loose environment for getting their kid in that school, so however we want to
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sugarcoat it at the administrative level or at the decision making level it is what it is, and
unfortunately it is true because now we are dealing with the problem,now we are dealing with
the aftermath of that, and it is very hard now to unseat that. He firmly believes that you all
have resources and the ability to deal with this in a diligent manner if you want to. If there is
a lot of money on the line,that usually incentivizes everyone in the right direction. That is the
central issue from our perspective.
• Commissioner Aelion said the creative part is finding a way to monitor this. Where are the
parameters of the hours spent in a certain property to say that is actually where they live. Mr.
Greenfeld said it is the resident's address of the parent that they go by, and just because the
Grandma brings the child to school and picks up and goes to the Grandma's house within the
City that by rule does not mean that that child should be attending this school because it
should be the parent's address. Commissioner Scholl said all he is saying is that if somebody
lives in the City and their kid is going to school, if it is a Grandma at least she is paying taxes,
he could almost live with that. If that was the only issue we had there would be a couple
hundred less students in that school. Commissioner Gatto said Grandma is equal to a day care
center and that really is not fair. She asked if there was any kind of penalty that could be
imposed if a kid gets caught, in other words, on the backend take a look at it and if they get
caught they have to pay, like$500 or something that would scare people into not doing it. Mr.
Greenfeld said that the State Attorney's Office would have to do that. Commissioner Scholl
said we are stuck with the parameters to work with right now because anything else would
have to be at a School Board and it is hard to get but the fact is that they do have parameters
that they can work with. It is just a matter of resources from his perspective, if you put
enough resources on it, we could deal with it.
Vice Mayor Thaler said he has three children in different States and they harass the people far
more than we do here, two or three times a year they have the parents come in and verify and
re-verify the fact of where they live. We are not harassing the people enough and letting the
public know that it is happening, these are things that are all covered up. Commissioner Gatto
said the data base is a wealth of information which is the condo, there are so many of them
here in Sunny Isles Beach. If you go there and talk to the board members or the property
managers and go into the data base and you can find out who lives there.
Mayor Edelcup said the most exasperating part of the whole thing is we really don't even
know how many we are talking about, and because we don't know we hear numbers either
ridiculously low or ridiculously high. It is just frustrating because as elected officials we are
bombarded daily by our residents that want to see this resolved. We don't even have an idea
the number and if we don't have an idea, than we suspect the School Board has no idea and
then at that point there is a lack of confidence in whatever we are doing. Vice Mayor Thaler
said we even have two numbers on the teachers,we permitted the teachers if they are working
there to have their children there, and we have been told as high as 42 and as low as 9.
Commissioner Scholl said there is nothing wrong with that, he is all for that, and we had
hoped that City employees would be able to have their children in this school but we had to
nix that because of the overcrowding issue.
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3. Discussion with Representatives of the Miami-Dade County School Board on Expansion
Plans for the Norman S. Edelcup/Sunny Isles Beach K-8.
Action: Ana Rijo-Conde, AICP, handed out an updated description of Scope of Work and
Cost Estimates along with a proposed site plan for the classroom addition. She said she
hears their concerns and understands where they are coming from and she thinks she is
speaking for everybody when she says that the School District and School Board are
extremely thankful for the City's participation and cooperation in everything that we have
done here, and they value that relationship.
Ms. Rijo-Conde said she thinks the City,to a certain extent, is getting younger in that you are
attracting some of the high powered younger families who want the quality of life that the
City provides not just the school but the beautiful Parks. With that in mind and looking into
the future, she thinks there will be an insurgent with younger families with children moving
into the City. They were looking at this opportunity as a two-prong approach: on a short-
term basis which may be linked to a Plan of Action to deal with maybe some out of area
children, and we are looking at a larger picture. The short-term is the Executive Summary
adding a third and fourth floor on top of the existing cafeteria because that is the highest
structure. We think we can do it within the confines of the campus,and would be physically
adding 12 classrooms all with individual bathrooms which would produce approximately 264
student stations. They foresee if they are able to execute the Interlocal Agreement between
the City and the School Board, they would start the design which should take about 8 to 10
months to go through permitting,etc.,and then about a year for construction. They would try
to cause as little disruption to the operations of the school as possible but there would be a
period when some of the dining facility will not be entirely available to them.
Ms. Rijo-Conde said it is doable,and is a doable plan, it is cost effective because they would
be actually going into the existing part of the campus, and it would add some much needed
classrooms with that which gives it some flexibility as well. They are estimating, based on
their preliminary discussions with their Architect of Record,including the furniture, fixtures,
everything we will be looking at about$4.5 Million for the total project,which is not,taking
into consideration that we paid$25 Million(half and half)for the property,this seems to be a
very cost effective way of adding both stations.
Ms. Rijo-Conde said that they also looked at another option which is a longer term option,
and we recognize a future projected need and is going to be in the unfunded schedule for the
time being, but they would like to put a place holder in their five-year plan to address the
possible need for future off-site relief. They were hoping for example as the property that is
adjacent to the school which has a co-op building,and so that is one of the options and there
are not too many options in Sunny Isles Beach in terms of property to acquire. But they are
proposing to the School Board in September to again put that place holder in their five-year
plan just to recognize that we foresee any in the future for additional relief. They are putting
in about$10 Million in the unfunded category which accounts not just for the construction of
the project but would account for the purchase of the property which would be about half of
that cost. So it is unfunded,on an annual basis means we visit exactly where we are and she
is sure the Commission would want to be a part of that process. If you want to follow
through whatever Plan of Action has been recommended, as some of these children do not
live in the City. They will take a look at the data again and try to see if in fact that the two-
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year need ahead of them, or three-year need, or five-years down the road doesn't mean
conditional. Funding, we are trying to look at this in a more global light. We have had
similar problems in other areas where we have very successful schools and people always
seem to find a way to get in there,and she knows they have a problem with a couple of other
cities, and a plan to try to attack all of these issues.
Commissioner Scholl asked to talk School Board finances,and he heard the term the bonding
capacity was maxed out, and so he asked for metrics now on your revenue versus your debt
service versus if we get a credit enhancement,etc. How is it structured and how does it stack
up against your existing capacity. Ms. Rijo-Conde said over the four years we have lost a
considerable amount of revenue not just due to the decrease in qualified monies from the
capital,but also as a result of the market, and Commissioner Scholl said right your shrinking
assessment. She said most if not all of the revenues they receive presently goes toward either
the payment of the debts that they issued or for maintenance expenses, and so there is
basically nothing left to go out and issue additional debt. In fact this year we have made
significant reduction to our work force to be able to balance the budget which was very
painful because people are actually on the street but we took some significant drastic
measures to be able to keep within that,that we have coming in. We do have a problem with
short term, short to mid term, she thinks it is anywhere from seven to ten years before they
can issue any additional debt. What they are trying to do is basically engage in a
collaborative effort where if that particular local government has the ability to issue a debt,
they would enter into an Interlocal Agreement with that City and the exact increments would
have to be figured out but they could probably offer some security to secure the debt. They
are dealing similarly with the City of Miami and Key Biscayne. What we are looking for is
the debt issuance upfront and then a Interlocal Agreement that is binding with a
promise to be paid from the School Board over a number of years and typically the
debt would be issued for a 20-year term. This is a small amount in comparison. If their
debt issuance capacity were to look significant more favorable in the next five years then
they would have the option to pay this more quickly, which we did with the City of North
Miami and they turned around two years later and paid it off and that was $124 Million
worth of unsecured debt. The way they like to approach this is by you sharing in the cost of
the program,the project. They spoke to their Treasurer and because of the amount,we think
we will be able to start repaying once the debt is issued. And we had talked about a possible
50/50 collaborative effort.
Vice Mayor Thaler said one of the questions that came up is when will you need the money
to get this thing off the ground, and Ms. Rijo-Conde said we have tentatively included this
project as funded assuming we can work out a collaboration. We would first need to do the
design, etc. and have the funds available for FY 2011/2012, and then the balance available
for the actual construction award because we can't award the project without having the
dollars in place,which would be about$3.2 Million with the walkway connected,and so she
would say probably if they had in the vicinity of$500,000 to $600,000 the first year, that
would allow them to complete the design, engineering etc., with the money for the
construction coming in the following year, and that could be worked into the Interlocal.
Mayor Edelcup asked if we could create something like a line of credit that is collateralized
by something, that would make some sense. In the financing structure because you can't
issue"debt", there won't be a bond of evidences this loan,are you predicate in any way from
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structuring a line of credit if we were acting like a bank in effect that would advance funds
against the job but collateralized with something of tangible value since we are putting up
money. She said the finances for this school will most likely be done under a Certificate of
Anticipation which is in essence a bond we would create the Ground Lease, we would not be
able to collateralize any other piece of property, we can check on that in more detail with
their Treasurer which she would have to be involved in these conversations, etc. Mayor
Edelcup asked what kind of binding instrument she sees that she could issue that would make
the thing happen. She said she never has seen the School Board renege on any of its
obligations, even in hard times, our Treasurer and our finance people are extremely
conservative and so they always make sure when we get into an arrangement that they can
satisfy the obligation,and good faith and good will of the School Board goes a long ways and
you can bank on that. Mayor Edelcup said for us to advance funds we have to advance it on
some instrument, and some instrument has to be created. Commissioner Scholl said they are
saying it is going to be an unsecured obligation. Mayor Edelcup said we need to know how
we are going to do it before we can even commit to doing it,there has to be some mechanism
set up. Commissioner Scholl said that it might be interesting to see what the deal with
Miami was in terms of the legal instrument because clearly that wasn't collateralized.
Vice Mayor Thaler said that you have stated that you are working with two other cities,
where do they stand and what are they getting to collateralize it, and Ms. Rijo-Conde said
that they are basically of their dealings with the CRA for the City of Miami and that entails
the possibility of replacing a whole school with a different type of school,and they have their
own debt issuance mechanism. The revenue stream for them is the tax increments that they
are getting off from above and beyond their program. We are not at the point where we
worked out all of the instruments, we are almost at the same level as all the municipalities.
She is certain that their Treasurer and finance people could come up with something that
would be acceptable to both parties by having some conversations and dialogue with your
finance people.
Mayor Edelcup said where he thinks we are at is that we would all like to see the expansion
of the school take place, we set some preconditions that we already talked about at the
beginning of our meeting. We are at a position now where we probably could do the
financing in some form or fashion, but again like you we are dealing in public money and so
we need to know what is the legal instrument that is going to get created that represents this
transfer of money from us to you and how it is getting paid back. Ms. Rijo-Conde said that
they were waiting for this confirmation from the Commission, and now that there is interest
in going to the next level then the next step is to get their Treasurer and Finance people and
the City's Finance people together.
Commissioner Scholl said he thought all we were going to do was to provide debt,he has not
come to grips to the fact that we are going to make another contribution based on the
contribution we already made which was quite substantial to begin with. From his
perspective, given the fact we deal with a lot of the other preconditions like the Mayor just
mentioned, we would look to give you debt instrument for the total cost. As a Commission
we will have to decide, now he understands that they are asking for us to forgive half the cost
up front, and that is not where his head is at but it is something they will have to debate.
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Mayor Edelcup said he thinks we should look at it that we would provide the financing and
that from time to time the Commission would always look at whether or not it wants to
forgive some of that debt. A lot of it is going to depend on the economics of where we are at,
but if it is a five-year, seven-year note payoff anywhere in that time period we can certainly
be looking at either making annual small gifts to forgive it in part.
Commissioner Scholl said contrary to popular belief, our pockets are not as deep as people
think they are. We are in better shape than most cities but we are in better shape because
we've approached our budget with all fiscal conservatism, we didn't bond up into future
revenue we didn't have. Long before he was a Commissioner, he and the Mayor used to
meet annually with the City Manager and dice up the budget and figure out how to deal with
this from a prudent fiscal perspective, nonetheless we maintained our numbers but the
decrease in assessment has effected us as well.
Assistant City Manager/Finance Minal Shah said just like every other municipality or
governmental agency our revenues are also declining which does make it more difficult to
meet our debt covenant. So we too are nearing our debt capacity and so one of the questions
she has is if we do come to an agreement with the School Board she is hoping that there is
some language in there that is contingent upon the City being able to get the financing from a
third party from banking, because we will be required to get waivers for our debt
calculations.
Jamie Torres said one thing that is different with the proposal for Sunny Isles Beach is that
they spoke to their Treasurer and based on the amount we are talking about, she has already
committed to begin repayment basically immediately. At this point it would show of their
share to begin repayment immediately, and not wait the five to seven years. As far as
revenue, he thinks that would help the City. Assistant City Manager Shah said if we had a
commitment and the Interlocal Agreement executed, how much lead time does the City have
to get the financing. Mayor Edelcup said if we can come up with the documents that it is
going to take to make this thing happen,the repayment schedule,and that everything is
predicated on the City being able to get the financing,and we fully expect to be able to
get the financing, but it has to be part of the language, and for the purposes of these
documents he wants to see the document he would assume for the moment that it is the
full amount of the debt not half the debt but that the City would acknowledge annually
looking at perhaps making a gift of forgiveness of some portion of that debt but in the
event the City is unable to do it for economic reasons then the payoff period will
definitely have to be for a longer period and we wouldn't expect you to pay it off in half
the time if you are paying 100% of the debt. But likewise, if the economy improves
hopefully the City is in the position to look at making that forgiveness. He would like the
documents to reflect the opportunity of gift but the documents to reflect that it is really the
full amount and a potential repayment of the full amount. Ms. Rijo-Conde said she would
send that to their financial people. Commissioner Scholl said he doesn't think the length of
the repayment is as important, it is what it is, but as the Mayor is saying, it would give us
flexibility as well which is what is important. Mayor Edelcup said as much as we can he
would like the legal instrument as close to being a form of debt as possible because it
also gives us opportunities to be able to finance that deal by showing that there is that legal
obligation there even if we are wrapping the City's credit on top of the School Board's credit
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and putting the City's credit there first but somebody who is going to align to us is going to
look to the fact not just the other lending to the City of Sunny Isles Beach but the City of
Sunny Isles Beach expects to pay this back from monies that are coming from the School
Board.
Commissioner Scholl said that you are going to have that with even'municipality and that is
something you may want to get with Legal now and try to figure out because you know,Key
Biscayne is going to want the same thing because they are all going to want as much
flexibility as they can have with the instrument understanding that they are not going to get a
piece of collateral but whatever teeth goes into that instrument the full faith and credit of the
School Board is what is going to,and Ms. Rijo-Conde said she will check the Ground Lease,
typically what they do is that they don't go beyond the footprint of the building and they will
look for the Certificate of Anticipation and so there may be some other way to secure the
contribution. They will look at all of those and the City's financial records.
Mayor Edelcup thinks we can move faster than any other municipality and so he thinks their
finance people will have to get with ours in able to create whatever it is that we are able to
create because he thinks in concept the Commission is in favor of seeing this expansion,now
it is how do we make it all happen and how do we tie the knot and make the documents all
flow.
Commissioner Scholl said the other thing that we would like to see just for the sake of our
own underwriting is if you can give Assistant City Manager Shah some metrics on the
School Board,your financial metrics, how much your free cash flow is going to service
your debt, all of that that you would have to give for your bond, and Ms. Rijo-Conde
said they have to give the same exact thing for the CRA. She said the reason why they are
safe with this debt capacity issuance is because of class size, we had to our construction
tremendously, and Commissioner Scholl said you had a $2 Billion Capital Budget the last
time he looked, it was way up there and he remembers the numbers were huge. Ms. Rijo-
Conde said it was well over$1 Billion however there is no new money coming in,when you
look at the entire State we have over 15% of the State's population in students and we see
less than 5%of qualified money and so there was a huge disparity between what we needed
to do to comply with the mandate, and the actual dollars we got from the State.
Commissioner Scholl said it is a terrible situation, we all have empathy for the position you
are in, what you and the Superintendent is doing is very formidable, there is no doubt
because it has been as tough of a situation that any of us will see in our lifetime as far as the
School system is concerned.
The Commission thanked the representatives of the School Board.
4. Adjournment.
Mayor Edelcup adjourned the Workshop at 1:09 p.m.
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